[oclug] Need help installing postfix on my home server
Piotr R. Sidorowicz
prsidoro at mavericsolutions.ca
Sat Jun 6 13:07:29 EDT 2009
Yes Brad, I realize Zimbra is a serious overkill, but the install is
very much automated and takes care of a lot of details that a newcomer
to the MTA scene will likely not know. Although the basic install of
postfix or exim on Debian is easy, one soon finds that the configuration
details are a bit complex, particularly if it is to be an externally
If Rob were to need to expand the use to pop/imap, non-system user
authentication, etc. the setup complexity would grow quickly. This way
he'd have all that in one shot.
I agree that the fact that Zimbra as a non-distro package has
shortcomings. I just thought an integrated package might save him a lot
of tweaking under the hood.
Just another option to consider.
Brad Barnett wrote:
> Uh, Piotr, I have to intervene here.
> First of all, the guy wants a simple daemon to send alerts to an email
> address, hosted who knows where! Instead of installing one program, in a
> very simple way, you are suggesting he installs dozens of programs,
> daemons, and pieces of software!
> That is, after all, what Zimbra is.
> Not only is Zimbra more complex, in that Zimbra is an MTA + dozens
> of other programs, Rob likely does not even want 99.9% of Zimbra's
> functionality! Good grief man, he wants an MTA, not an MTA, plus a pop,
> imap, alert, webmail, calendar, and a dozen other apps!
> Your suggestion is a colossal way to waste disk space, memory, and CPU
> On top of this, Zimbra will require constant manual updates in order to
> stay ahead of security issues, which would be handled automatically by
> apt-get upgrades in a native OS environment!
> As well, not only will the user have to have a grasp of how email works,
> answering more questions during install than for postfix alone, they will
> also be dealing with a non-distro environment! Everything will be
> segmented away from the OS!
> Log files will appear in /opt, daemons will be running outside of
> runlevel scripts, docs won't appear in easy to find locations, and a
> Zimbra setup could easily be turned into mush by an inexperienced user.
> By comparison, an exim or postfix setup using apt + ubuntu is a piece of
> cake, and Zimbra is a confusing myriad of landmines waiting to go off.
> New MTA admins should run for the hills, instead of considering setting
> up Zimbra.
> Note, that I have no problem with Zimbra, I've rolled it out before. It
> is a fairly good setup. However, using it in the wrong place, for the
> wrong reasons, in the wrong way, is just plain silly.
Piotr R. Sidorowicz, PhD phone: 613.822.2094
1819 Rideau Rd voip: sip:prsidorowicz at ekiga.net
Gloucester, On, Canada, K1X 1E1 email: prsidoro at mavericsolutions.ca
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