Fw: [Fwd: Re: [oclug] Concerned Amusement]

[Brad Barnett]

Brad,

Excellent answer!  Would you, or may I post it to oclug?

Thanks!

bjb


On Thu, Apr 05, 2007 at 01:04:45AM -0400, Brad Barnett wrote:
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> 
> 
> Dmitriy,
> 
> I believe I understand the issue at hand, now that I've looked through
> the archives.
> 
> The oclug@ list in itself is not moderated.  That is, the content on the
> list is not moderated.  However, we do need a moderator, because while
> this list is not moderated for content, it is not an open list. As I'm
> sure you can understand, leaving mailman open to allow all messages
> through, would allow too much spam on the list.
> 
> Therefore, individuals can not post to it without subscribing, and
> because of this someone does need to monitor the list and handle the
> incoming bucket.  Again, I see that you've been doing some of this job,
> and it is appreciated by me and I'm sure others.
> 
> Conversely, the linux@ list is content moderated, and demands a certain
> level of topicness.  This list was created to allow for a moderated,
> linux only topic based list, while allowing the unmoderated oclug@ list
> to continue as it does now and has in the past.  
> 
> Part of what you are seeing below is a at least six year old, if not
> longer, ongoing debate about topicness of the oclug@ list.  As well,
> some members of the oclug@ list have been around for many years, nipping
> at each other from time to time.
> 
> Just think of us as a bunch of crotchety old men in an old age home. ;P
> 
> Anyhow, the non-moderate nature of the oclug@ list would need to be
> changed by some form of board action, and perhaps by a member vote, in
> order for it to be accepted.  I do not see this as likely, since there
> is a moderated list available.
> 
> Anyhow, Brenda may have more to add, but that is the situation as I see
> it.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, 05 Apr 2007 00:04:12 -0400
> Dmitriy Korovkin <korovkin at sympatico.ca> wrote:
> 
> > Hi Brenda,
> > Will you clarify the situation, please,
> > Thanks in advance,
> > Dmitriy.
> > 
> > -------- Original Message --------
> > Subject: Re: [oclug] Concerned Amusement
> > Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 23:56:18 -0400
> > From: Brad Barnett <lists at l8r.net>
> > To: korovkin at users.sourceforge.net,   General Membership Discussion
> > List <oclug at lists.oclug.on.ca>
> > References:
> > <20070403234648.676b9b2b at europa.jupiter.leitersolutions.com>
> > <46146AFE.7070903 at sympatico.ca>	<46147109.9020401 at sympatico.ca>
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > This is not a moderated list.  Stop assuming authority you have not
> > been granted.
> > 
> > On Wed, 04 Apr 2007 23:46:17 -0400
> > Dmitriy Korovkin <korovkin at sympatico.ca> wrote:
> > 
> > > Colleagues,
> > > I am the moderator of this list. I'd like to call you for stopping
> > > this discussion. It leads us to nothing. If someone disagree, write
> > > me a letter, I'll give you the detailed explanation with examples,
> > > ok. Thank you very much for understanding.
> > > Dmitriy
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Milan Budimirovic wrote:
> > > > The Linux Doctor wrote:
> > > >> Hi Guys,
> > > >>
> > > >> I've been watching the debate on OCLUG's main list  and as usual
> > > >we > have everybody missing the point.
> > > >>
> > > >> First. The oclug at lists.oclug.on.ca is OCLUG's main list. Somebody
> > > >> must instruct the keeper of the lists that this list should
> > > >appear > first in all the lists.
> > > >>
> > > >> Second, I must note the never ending creep of 'political'
> > > >correctness > into this list.  It is a never ending battle isn't
> > > >it? >
> > > >> This list was founded on the concepts of eclecticism, fundamental
> > > >to > which is that all points of view are valid as long as you can
> > > >defend > them. 'Political' correctness negates all points of view
> > > >save their own. >
> > > >>   
> > > > 
> > > > Yeah, well, political correctness is a two-sided coin. To me
> > > > political political correctness is allowing one person to
> > > > force-feed the subscribers of the list with his own crass,
> > > > ill-informed, illogical viewpoints to such an extent that (a)
> > > > everyone else's voice is drowned out and (b) the few subscribers
> > > > left on the list don't even bother posting any more. And all this
> > > > is tolerated in the name of "free speech", because being seen as a
> > > > "censor" is politically incorrect too.
> > > -- 
> > > OCLUG general discussion list
> > > OCLUG at lists.oclug.on.ca
> > > http://www.oclug.on.ca/mailman/listinfo/oclug
> > 
> > 
> > -- 
> > Dmitriy
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