[oclug] Re: oclug traffic

[Chris H]

On Wednesday 03 November 2004 12:03, Dave O'Neill wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 03, 2004 at 11:30:11AM -0500, Chris H wrote:
> > the only point I am trying to make is that if OCLUG wants to become
> > usefull to many (its personally fine for me) then it needs to
> > understand the needs, wants and desires of the many it wishes to serve
> > and put in place both a plan and process to get there. Osmosis is best
> > left to nature not a form management.
>
> You're way off base here.  For OCLUG to succeed, we don't need
> management plans, needs analysis, or well-defined processes.  We just
> need people willing to talk about what they're doing.  Whether that
> involves asking questions, or describing something neat they've done,
> that's the core of a user group.

Well not really. As said many times I am content with OCLUG as it is. I was 
responding to inquiries as to why OCLUG seems to be dead. My observation was 
that OCLUG does not do much to address the needs of new linux users and does 
not provide itself as as resource to such a new audience. Now you may not 
agree nor even care. Its was simply a suggestion and summary of observations.

Where we differ and disagree on what it takes to serve this audience should it 
be a target audience or service that OCLUG wants to provide. Our differences 
are based on an understanding on the capabilities and needs of a suggested 
target audience. Thats all...:)

> Basically, it comes down to "Don't just stand there, do something".  If
> you have a question, ask it.  If you just came across the neatest damn
> KDE app on earth, talk about it on the list.  Maybe you'll inspire
> someone to help, or to try that neat app, or maybe it will convince them
> to talk about what they're doing.

While I don't disagree with the perspective I don't see this as a usefull long 
term strategy either as some are complaining at present and suggesting that 
such methodology has produced the status quo (which is fine for me..by the 
way..and once again) but which they are not happy with. People management is 
a little bit different then software process management. You cannot make the 
same assumption nor hold the same expectations of outcomes is what I have 
observed and learned over time. YMMV. 

Best

/ch