[oclug] Gentoo Linux.
bb at L8R.net
Sat Jul 12 18:17:11 EDT 2003
On Sat, 12 Jul 2003 11:00:43 -0400 (EDT)
"David F. Skoll" <dfs at roaringpenguin.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 12 Jul 2003, Milan Budimirovic wrote:
> > The problem I have with Gentoo is this: who are the users that this
> > distro is intended for?
> My guess: People who like BSD ports.
> > It has nothing to do with "instant gratification", as DFS put it. It's
> > about maintaining order in a sea of chaos.
> There's no fundamental difference between managing binary packages
> (RPM/DEB) or managing source packages (Gentoo). All three systems
> know about dependencies and dependency resolution; Gentoo differs
> only in that its "packages" are source rather than binary.
> > Put another way, it takes over two years of testing and resolving of
> > dependancies by hundreds of package maintainers before a Debian distro
> > is declared "stable". I simply do not believe that in the long run you
> > can get the same level of reliability when you have individual users
> > compiling everything themselves.
> But Gentoo also knows about dependency resolution. It's not like you
> download random tarballs and go with them. If you stay within the
> confines of Portage, you have as much control over packaging as you
> would with a DEB or RPM-based package system.
Yes, and while Gentoo _could_ be as strict in its release process as
Debian is, it just isn't. It also doesn't seem to backport security
patches to its stable branch. Heck, right here:
shows an unstable to stable (and release) target of 14 days. That's just
plainly absurd. It also doesn't seem to me that the package maintainers
are checked out and have a strict approval process either. Software
should even be considered stable until it's been running in the wild for a
year. We're not talking about desktops here, where Debian's "testing"
Heck, I'd probably rank Gentoo against Debian's unstable branch, and this
isn't an insult to Gentoo, just a praise for Debian. So, what am I trying
to say here? Gentoo is probably a great distro for home use, if you are
experienced, but I'd never use it in an office and definitely never ever
on a server. It just doesn't have the quality control. Heck, there are
still random problems people have with ext3, _it_ isn't even stable yet.
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