[oclug]For the Mac / Linux fans

[Shad Young]

On Fri, 2003-01-10 at 09:21, Brad Barnett wrote:
> On Fri, 10 Jan 2003 00:10:25 -0500
> "Will Mendez" <will at xsibase.com> wrote:
> 
> > In the Digital Content Creation world Apple has been gobbling up apps
> > like Shake, Rayz etc and making them MAC only.  This time it seems that
> > they want to give open source a try 
> > 
> > http://developer.apple.com/darwin/projects/darwin/
> > 
> > Will Mendez
> > Mmmm...XSI
> > www.xsibase.com
> > www.xsimontreal.com 
> > 
> 
> Yes, Apple's stance has always been quite clear.  They want it all. ;)  As
> a corporation, Linux is their enemy.  They want to see us destroyed. 
> Especially since it looks like we've displaced them as #2 on the desktop. 
> However, in terms of "playing nice" with people, Apple seems even worse
> than M$ in many respects.
> 
> When was the last time you heard of M$ trying to sue someone for posting a
> web site about a product earlier than the release date?  
> 
> Apple is definitely from the past.  They are a dinosaur.  Their attempt to
> move to Open Source was nothing more than an attempt to get some free
> press, and some free code.  They re-wrote their OS from the ground up, by
> using thousands of people's FREE contributions.

I think the premise you are operating under belongs with said dinosaurs.
Everything in this world is built upon the back of the labors of others.
 
> This is legal, this is the way that strange BSD license works, but I don't
> like it.  Some people do, but I point at Apple to display what the true
> outcome of such a beast is.  I don't like some of the raving mad GNU
> folks, but I certainly do like the GPL.  
> 
> If you look at the people that are using BSD code today, you can certainly
> see the BSD is essentially our enemy in many respects.  Microsoft, Apple,
> and I'm sure other Unixes have grabbed small pieces here or there.  This
> is like giving state secrets to the enemy.  This is giving ammo to the
> other side.  This is, effectively, treason.  
> 
> Keep in mind, this is a _war_ we are in here.  Even if you don't think you
> are a war, the other side does.  Apple and Microsoft want Linux dead, the
> kernel destroy, the source outlawed.  IBM and others want it alive, but as
> controlled as possible.  In a sense, Linux is a little like Canada was
> during the Cold War.  If the Soviet Union and the US had a war, many
> thought it would take place over and on our soil.
> 
> This is Linux's fate.

I prefer to think of it that the US and USSR were fighting to maintain
their definition of freedom. Canada just is. So is Linux. No fighting
required.

Shad