[oclug] Rogers sucks

[Ken Dyer]

> 
> 
> 
> Personally I don't feel an ISP should have a right to dictate what 
you do
> with your connection, as long as it is not illegal.  Sure, limit
> bandwidth, or limit the amount of data you can transfer.  Charge 
based on
> the two above.
> 
> However, telling people what services they can or can not run is like 
the
> phone companies when they tried to tell you you couldn't use a modem 
on
> the phone.  They lost that battle, as you will soon see ISPs loose the
> battle to control what you do with your connection.  It is only a 
matter
> of time.  
> 
> An ISP is just providing a service.  They have no business regulating 
what
> you do with it, just as an phone company has no right dictating what
> equipement you use on their line.  As long as it is legal and does not
> physically damage their network, hands off.
> 
> However, we certainly should have laws against spamming, DoS attacks 
and
> what not and the authorities should prosecute if these things are 
done. 
> Again, NOT ISPs, but legal authorities.  If someone has done something
> wrong, they should pay the price just as someone who writes graffiti 
on a
> wall does, or steals from someone.
> 
> I know several people on the list will complain that this is too much
> work, that it will cost society too much.  However, we can not leave
> people at the whim of ISPs who try to dictate how we use the 
internet. 
> Furthermore, it is imperative that we try to reduce the level of spam,
> security problems and hacking now before it gets out of control.
> 
> If people think spam is bad now, imagine what it will be like in 10 
years
> if left completely unchecked.  Your email will consist of 100 spam 
and 2
> personal messages each day.  Your cell phone will ring incessantly 
telling
> you that you are near Fred and Joe's all you can eat Bistro, and to 
come
> on it (as you walk by).  For some odd reason, cell phone companies 
think
> this is a good thing.
> 
> Sigh.
> 
> 
> On Sat, 9 Mar 2002 19:55:39 -0500 (EST)
> "Ken Dyer" <ken at springtime.dyndns.org> wrote:
> 
> > 
> > 
> > I just read an apology in the Metro daily from a representative 
from 
> > Rogers to all Rogers users who recieved a threatening email notice 
> > regarding the use of Servers.  If this is accurate then it would 
appear 
> > Rogers is just sending notices everywhere and trying to shut down 
the 
> > Servers even if they're not sure the person they are emailing is 
doing 
> > it.  This representative went on to state that only a small 
percentage 
> > of users were using a large portion of the badnwidth on the 
network. 
> > What these poor fools don't seem to understand is that IT IS NOT 
the 
> > legitamate and for the most part innocent systems people who are 
> > actually doing this but infected WINDOWS computers spewing out 
streams 
> > of Nimbda and related viruses attack signatures etc. My research 
> > indicates all of these machines are WIndows NT and Windows 2000 
systems 
> > which have server service, remote registry service, iis service, 
> > terminal services, etc etc etc turned on by default as well, easy 
prey 
> > to the hoards of kiddies out there. I think properly educating 
THOSE 
> > USERS would be a better solution for Rogers to take then punishing 
the 
> > innocent as well as the ignorant and just plain stupid. Perhaps if 
they 
> > allowed all Linux users to one group of subnets and Windows users 
in 
> > another they would be shocked by how much they would have to attend 
to 
> > one group over the other, a simplistic solution? perhaps but i feel 
it 
> > is certainly more customer oriented then the other approach....
> > 
> > 
> 
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Your points are well taken and absolutely correct, it is NO DIFFERENT 
than the telephone in most respects and it is so much a part of life in 
our collective modern society that these steps MUST BE TAKEN NOW as you 
pointed out,  or the price will be higher in the future. Makes me 
depressed a little to see people who should know better being so 
limited in there vision.


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