[oclug] Debian updating (Was: Good Point)

[Jonathan Earle]

It's been a few months since I last did an upgrade.  I don't know what you
mean by a simple upgrade, or an upgrade to a new version - I reference the
'unstable' branch in my sources.list file (and have for months) if that
helps define which upgrade path I'm on.  It seemed simple enough at the time
(apt-get update and then upgrade/dist-upgrade), which is probably why I keep
getting myself hopelessly mired in doodoo with Debian. :)

I wish it were only one or two - I'd note those down and force 'em back in
later.  I've got bout 90 that want to be removed, and I think that's a bit
unreasonable.

Cheers!
Jon

> -----Original Message-----
> From: James Leigh [mailto:james.leigh at ottawa.com]
> Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 5:27 PM
> To: oclug at lists.oclug.on.ca
> Subject: Re: [oclug] Debian updating (Was: Good Point)
> 
> 
> Are you doing a "simple" upgrade or are you upgrading to 
> another version of
> debian?  How long has it been since you upgraded last?  It 
> seems to be that
> there is some conflics here.  I have had similar trouble when 
> trying to
> upgrade various packages, some packages were not compatable 
> with the new
> package, I wanted to install, and therefore want to be 
> removed.  I do not
> know what is the problem here, but for me, it has always been 
> one or two
> packages that needed to be upgraded first OR it worked by 
> requesting the
> [packages to be removed] be upgraded first.
> 
> good luck,
> james
> 
> On Mon, 26 Mar 2001 12:52:02 Jonathan Earle wrote:
> > Hi folks,
> > 
> > I've been trying to get my Debian system (the one I haven't 
> wanted to
> > fire
> > up in months. :) ) up and running and updated.  I've been 
> playing with
> > the
> > unstable branch as I'd rather have the latest and greatest vs server
> > class
> > reliability on my home machine.
> > 
> > Recalling that the last time I did something like this 
> (after a time of
> > not
> > updating) caused me huge amounts of grief, I avoided 
> dselect and instead
> > ran
> > "apt-get update" to update the lists of packages.  Only 
> complaint was for
> > the non-US stuff.  Fixed that, and no more complaints when 
> I reran it.
> > (BTW, I'm including the ca.debian.org, helixgnome and 
> non-us sites in my
> > sources.list.)  So, I was doing other things while the 
> packages updated
> > (I'm
> > on dialup), and fell asleep at the console.  I ended up 
> running "apt-get
> > upgrade" the next day, at which point it told me that some of the
> > packages
> > it tried to d/l didn't exist.  After it was done all that, 
> I updated and
> > reran the upgrade.  Hmmm, that's odd, Gnome was not 
> updated, neither was
> > Netscape, and those were only the two most obvious ones.  Okay, man
> > apt-get
> > says the upgrade option is very careful... looks like I should use
> > dist-upgrade instead.  So, I use that instead.  It 
> downloads about 140mb
> > of
> > packages, but says it's holding back a few things like 
> communicator. 
> > Hmm..
> > odd.  When it finishes, it complained about a few packages 
> not exisiting,
> > so
> > apt-get update again and try the dist-upgrade once more.  
> Whoa!  Now, it
> > tells me that it wants to _remove_ about 90 odd packages, 
> including minor
> > ones like GCC and G++ and the window managers and a whole 
> host of others
> > that it just installed!  Back out of that, try dselect now.  After
> > satisfying it's dependency requirements, try to install and the same
> > thing
> > happens!
> > 
> > I now remember why I didn't want to fire up this box. :)  I 
> think Debian
> > hates me.
> > 
> > What have I done wrong now?  How can I get it to a sane 
> state again where
> > I
> > can use apt-get or dselect without the tools wanting to 
> trash my system?
> > 
> > Cheers!
> > Jon
> > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Michael H. Collins [mailto:mhtexcollins at austin.rr.com]
> > > 
> > > Not just Debian.  I use it with an rpm based system.  
> > > Conectiva is its 
> > > name.  Just did it today and it upgraded my ssh stuff.
> > > 
> > > http://en.conectiva.com/
> > > 
> > > bbarnett at l8r.net wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > Erm, its called "debian" and apt-get.  Want to do a weekly 
> > > upgrade?  Type
> > > > 
> > > > "apt-get update"
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