[oclug] tuesday afternoon rant about the FBI and an isp

[Trevor Curtis]

Legally, how does the FBI have *any* jurisdiction in Canada?  Wouldn't
they just talk to ... I don't know... the RCMP (for example) and work
things out that way?

IANAL, but it doesn't make any sense that the FBI would walk into this
nation's capital and grab evil people's systems or the like.

thoughts?

On Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 03:25:08PM -0500, Brad Barnett wrote:
> To: oclug at lists.oclug.on.ca
> Subject: Re: [oclug] tuesday afternoon rant about the FBI and an isp
> From: Brad Barnett <bbarnett at l8r.net>
> Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 15:25:08 -0500 (EST)
> 
> Quoting Ian Wormsbecker <iwormsbe at nortelnetworks.com>:
> 
> > >
> > > No you're not ;)  If you were, you'd realise the "break and enter"
> > doesn't mean
> > > "enter".  You have to FORCE (ie break) your way in.  That's why each
> > subsection
> > > of the law says "break and enter" and not just enter.
> > >
> > > Entering an unlocked house isn't a B+E.  No forced entry.  Simple.
> > 
> > What if the doors are locked, so you opened and crawled through an
> > unlocked window?
> > 
> > What is considered FORCE'ed entry?
> > 
> > Really it boils down to, do you want to go into someones unlocked house
> > when there
> > is a possibility that you could get charged for it?
> > Do you want to port scan people when there is a possibility that someone
> > will get
> > pissed off at you, report you to the fbi, and the fbi track you for the
> > rest of
> > your life?
> 
> To this, I have to say one thing.  Screw the evil FBI, fuck them.
> 
> Sorry, I had to inject that tone, but it had to be said.  I'm not going to cower
> and run away from a forgein power's illegal and improper attempts to spy on me,
> and breach my privacy.
> 
> Thoughts like "Be fearful Canadian citizen, or the mighty FBI will get you" just
> make me angry.  I don't like how they have spread their influence (the evil
> Americans) and culture to the world, without the world's request or permission,
> and in many cases at the barrel of a gun.  I don't like to see other countries
> laws pushed upon me, or to be treated like a criminal, when there is nothing
> wrong with what I am doing.
> 
> Its just like the lame DeCSS, and the poor kid that wasn't doing anything
> illegal at home, but because of US pressure, rots in jail.
> 
> Enjoy the justice.  Enjoy the freedom.  Happiness for all in our dark new
> century, which will see the american empire and capitalistic economy span the
> globe, and deny everyone those basic freedoms and rights it once stood for.
> 
> No individual culture for you!  No individuality for you!  Our laws are your
> laws!  We are borg
> 
> BAH!!! 
> 
> > 
> > What about the 'if you connect to this computer you are showing intent
> > to login'
> > and 'unathorized people should not login to this machine' in banners for
> > certain
> > services on a machine.
> > 
> > I figure there are so many questions regarding this issue that it is
> > best to make
> > it a non issue, and don't bother doing whatever it is that makes this
> > become an
> > issue. In this case, port scanning a machine. Besides, what extra
> > information do
> > you glean from portscanning a machine that would aid the authorities in
> > hunting
> > down people peddling this type of stuff? I am guessing none.
> > 
> > Ian
> > 
> > 
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