[oclug] Easiest and most usefull language to learn?

[Ian Wormsbecker]

The C++ standard includes the Standard Template Library, hence it is part
of C++.

Greg Franks wrote:

> I am afraid you are confusing the library(ies) with the language.
> Stock C++ does not come with lists and collections and all those other
> good things.  STL (standard template library) adds lists, collections,
> etc.  It was a way to implement much of the Smalltalk class library in
> C++ (a good thing, BTW). Unfortunately, STL came along late in the
> life of C++ and many of the earlier C++ compilers couldn't even
> compile it (templates strike again...).  Smalltalk and Java shipped
> these things almost right from the beginning.
>
> Java has all these features you mention below.  As a bonus, you don't
> have to worry about pointers either.  Further, java fixes dumb things
> like
>
> if ( a = b ) {
> }
>
> which, more cases than not, is NOT what was meant.
>   ..greg
>