[oclug] The Sinnister MS Connection Was : Rogers domain oddn

[Chris Herrnberger]

On Sunday 04 February 2001 13:14, you wrote:
> --- Andrew Hutton <ajh at finux.org> wrote:
> > That is nonsense.  Gasoline is more dangerous than hydrogen. Have
> > you ever
> > seen a hydrogen storage cell?
>
> Yes, it was call the Hindenburg....
>
> > Hydrogen is stored in a solid, a porous material that restricts the
> > flow
> > rate.  Similar to race cars using tank baffles and foam in the
> > tanks to
> > prevent large spills from spreading on the track and catching fire.
>
> Ah yes, modern technology... works wonders doesn't it?
>
> > Be careful with assumptions, you have google, use it. :)
>
> I agree, more people should do research and thus prevent some of
> these outrageous statements...

I hate to tell both of you esteemed lads that your both wrong on this one 
having spend my earlier years in the auto industry. It's completely self 
motivated and more predatory and politically driven than MS ever was/is 
Furthermore the industry's negative impacts have a far greater reach and 
impact than benign computer technologies which have a net environmental 
impact of zero. What people do with this later technology is a different 
story. This does not mean Im against cars.. Heck no, I still want a porshe 
some day:=)

The hydrogen cells being discussed originally (above) are very safe and 
subject to a variety of federal regulations as early as the design phase 
never mind production or distribution phase which is typically a three to 
four year process that is subject to further regulatory input at all stages. 
The irony is they still produce cars that arguably have an non balanced 
environmental impact. Self generating vehicles have the potential to change 
that equation, but in terms of vested economic interests they are really a 
political statement rather than and engineering solution to mass and personal 
transit with an acceptable environmental mass balance or input/output 
equation. 

As far as the Hindenburg is concerned it has now been demonstrated that one 
of the most famous explosions in history next to the space shuttle was not 
sabotage or the use of hydrogen rather ( these air ships, 7? in total, were 
in operation for over five years, and held all kinds of distance and safety 
records in comparison to air travel of the period) was the result of the 
various chemical additives that were included in the "dope" that was used in 
"stabilizing" and "waterproofing" the exterior cloth of this airship. 
Interestingly enough the original design engineers of the Hindenburg 
documented all this as they made changes to the "dope" formula to reduce 
weight to the Hindenburg only. Due to the political currents at this time, 
the sabotage theory was put forward and propagated to avoid assessment of 
their documented errors. It is now believed that it was this combination of 
chemical additions that resulted in an extremely flammable exterior shell 
(noteably in the Hindenburg only) that ignited due to static discharges in 
the vicinity as it approached its landing pier. Not found on goole, rather on 
PBS while in Florida. :=)

BTW, what exactly does this have to do with linux. Perhaps you could help me 
figure out how to edit pdf files. That really seems more productive from this 
end, than a debate on transportation:=) But then again maybe not.

Best as always

Chris