[oclug] Parking for Aug Meeting
bbarnett at l8r.net
Wed Aug 1 12:18:22 EDT 2001
Quoting Dave O'Neill <dmo at acm.org>:
> On Wed, 1 Aug 2001, Brad Barnett wrote:
> > Nope, its still a non-polluting car. You can blame the energy source
> > (as even oil refinement pollutes!!), but don't blame the car. Hydro
> > isn't polluting, as well as wind and solar. (The "solar panels take
> > more to produce than you get back" myth is a tool of the US Oil
> > giants...).
> Your semantic games avoid the issue. Whether or not your mythical
> "non-polluting" car directly produces pollution, it still _causes_
> pollution in the production of its energy, be it under the hood or at a
> generating plant. Less cars == less pollution.
Heh. No Dave, they don't avoid the issue. The car isn't polluting, the
production of its fuel is (with hydrogen). It makes a big difference, because
we already have relatively low or null polluting ways of generating power.
Hydro. Wind. Thermal. They aren't being used, because oil is too easy. Thing
is, when every car in North America switches to hydrogen power (and it will,
mark my works... really, get out your diary! ;), the power of the oil companies
over the economy will diminish greatly, and loose the power that has enabled
them to keep alternative power sources out of reach.
> Now, that's not to say that electric (or other alternate-fuel) cars are
> the same or worse than a fossil-fuel powered vehicle. Most numbers I've
> heard show them causing less pollution than traditional cars after
> into account the production of the vehicle and the electricity or
> generation. It's also easier and cheaper to make a generation plant
> pollute less than it is to do the same with hundreds or thousands of
> gasoline engines.
> > At any rate, there is still orbiting solar stations that can beam the
> > power to earth, and so on. Yes, some of these methods aren't here
> > yet, but that's not the point. The point is, with hydrogren
> > technology, the smog alerts in cities will disappear, and there is
> > hope when it comes to *greatly* reducing greenhouse gases, while
> > maintaining our current lifestyle.
> Right... but right now that's all a pipe dream, and unlikely to happen
> within your lifetime or ours. The current system is rather
You'll see the first hydrogen car in use within 2-5 years. You'll see laws
passed to enforce their use (or other non-polluting cars) within 10 after.
> > We have to work in the system to effect change, not change the system.
> And why is that? If Linus had worked within the system, he would have
> used Minix and hated every minute of it. =)
> "Not much call for a barbarian hairdresser, I expect. I mean, no-one
> wants a shampoo-and-beheading" -- ``Sourcery'', Terry Pratchett
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