[oclug] Parking for Aug Meeting

[Brad Barnett]

Quoting Ross Jordan <rjordan at student.math.uwaterloo.ca>:

> > 
> > Quoting Michael Collins <mhtexcollins at austin.rr.com>:
> > 
> > > 	I would add that they are the greatest producers of global warming.
> > > 
> > 
> > Erm, cars don't produce global warming.  Petro based cars do emit
> gasses that do
> > contribute the greenhouse effect that cases global warming.
> > 
> > Non-polluting cars won't do that.  That's why they are called
> non-polluting :P
> > 
> I've never heard of a non-polluting car that was more than a marketing
> ploy.
> Electric cars simply displace the pollution to power plants.
> Similarly for hydrogen based cars (although less so).
> Solar panels requires a large amount of energy during production.
> Even horse powered buggies, will release methane and other
> gases.

Nope, its still a non-polluting car.  You can blame the energy source (as even
oil refinement pollutes!!), but don't blame the car.  Hydro isn't polluting, as
well as wind and solar.  (The "solar panels take more to produce than you get
back" myth is a tool of the US Oil giants...).

At any rate, there is still orbiting solar stations that can beam the power to
earth, and so on.  Yes, some of these methods aren't here yet, but that's not
the point.   The point is, with hydrogren technology, the smog alerts in cities
will disappear, and there is hope when it comes to *greatly* reducing greenhouse
gases, while maintaining our current lifestyle.

We have to work in the system to effect change, not change the system.

> 
> You might be able to pollute less, but I don't think you
> can have a car that is non polluting. Even if it was non-polluting,
> it would certainly expend energy which would contribute to the heat-
> entropy end of the world.
> 
> 
> Cheers,
> Ross
> 
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